Physical AI, humanoid robots, and L4 autonomous driving—while digital AI has dominated the past three years, the ultimate frontier now lies in physical AI. This dialogue delves into the most pressing truths of the industry: why is physical AI a hundred times more challenging than digital AI? When will L4 autonomous driving become a reality? Why is 2027 considered the breakthrough year for mass production of robots? In the face of skepticism and opposition, what drives the commitment to these ventures? With a mindset of "never giving in, yet accepting the stakes," what are the odds of success?

The conversation features He Xiaopeng, Chairman of the XPeng Group, and host Zhang Xiaojun, as they dissect strategic decisions and the future landscape of the physical AI era.