Participants

Richard Wayne; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Northeast Bank

Patrick Dignan; Chief Operating Officer, Executive Vice President; Northeast Bank

Rebecca Rand; Director of Accounting; NorthEast Bank

Richard Cohen; Chief Financial Officer; Northeast Bank

Damon DelMonte; Analyst; KBW

Mark Fitzgibbon; Analyst; Piper Sandler

Presentation

Operator

Welcome to the Northeast Bank. Third quarter fiscal year 2025 earnings call. My name is Victor and I'll be your operator for today's call. This call is being recorded with us today from the Bank is Rick Wayne, President and Chief Executive Officer, Richard Cohen, Chief Financial Officer, and Pat Dignan, executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer.
Prior to the call, an investor presentation was uploaded to the bank's website, which we will reference in this morning's call. The presentation can be accessed at the investor relations section of northeastbank.com under events and presentations. You may find it helpful to download this investor presentation and follow along during the call. Also, this call will be available for rebroadcast on the website for future use at this time. (Operator Instructions)
Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements about Northeast Bank. Forward-looking statements are based upon the current expectations of Northeast Bank's management and are subject to risk and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed in the forward-looking statements.
Northeast Bank does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. I will now turn the call over to Rick Wayne. Mr. Wayne, you may begin.

Richard Wayne

Thank you and good morning to all of you. I first want to make an observation about the quarter, which is we think it was a very strong quarter. We did $400 and I'll do a little bit of rounding for this $414 million of loan volume, of which $74.6 million was purchased. $218 million were originated loans, which was the second best quarter for commercial real estate loan originations that we have had.
The highest being the preceding quarter, and the SBA volume was $121.3 million, which is up from about $100 million in the late quarter. I point out that our net income of $18.7 million. Is $4.8 million higher than the quarter a year ago. And $3.7 million lower than the late quarter which is December 31, '24.
I'll refer to it as the late quarter sometimes we had ROE of 16.47%. ROA of 1.86% and our tangible book value grew to a shade under $55 at 5,484 seems kind of funny that I would say that this was a really good quarter given that we were $3.7 million less of income. Compared to the link quarter, and I want to just point out some things that caused that to happen, which, some of which, a lot of which are just.
Related to the quarter for reasons that you will hear as I go through this first one. His net interest income is down $2.5 million from the link quarter. Now these are pre-tax numbers I'm talking about now, and there are really two reasons for it. One, we had less accelerated income from loan payoffs on a purchase loan book. That's lumpy.
That number could be. In any couple of quarters go up and go, well it's never close but they go up or go up more or maybe not as much, but, whatever it doesn't get accelerated is income that we'll recognize as we hold the loans, and this is one you may not have thought of, but in the quarter that just ended it was 90 days in the quarter as compared to 92 days in the prior quarter and that's a difference of about $800,000.
So I pointed out that net interest income was about $2.5 million and we've identified $2.3 million of it, a non-interest income was $6.6 million in the current quarter, or $700,000 higher than the late quarter primarily due to SBA gains. The SBA business has been, the volume is increasing.
I'll talk about it, a little bit more in a few minutes, and on the non-interest expense side for the third quarter, unlike the first and the second, we booked a million three of incentive comp cash incentive comp. Which we threw up in, at this time so that was something in the third quarter that was not in the link quarter offset by to deposited by a few other items.
I also want to take a look at the tax expense of which we had some charges this quarter that were not recurring our tax rate went, to 36.7% compared to 33% in the prior quarter and probably year-to-date through December 31, there were a few items in there that are not recurring items. We booked $400,000 of expense due to the change in the Massachusetts tax law.
We discussed this in previous calls. But yeah, once that's fully enacted, the mass tax law, it goes in effect July 1. The our mass tax liability is going to go down, but in the meantime, this number gets adjusted. The other is, we are in, we filed tax returns in 35 states.
And we chewed up the state tax liability later in the year in this quarter for it cost another $300,000 and finally there was because the incentive comp included some 162 and other items there's another $250,000 for that. That's a lot of numbers that I put out so let me just put a a headline on that.
The income was down compared to the late quarter, but there's three or four reasons, that none of which go to the quality of our core business. There's, items that to a large extent, just occurred in the third quarter for the reasons that I described. I do want to make a comment on our SBA business. You may recall those of you that have been have heard these calls for a while that when we started we said we're going to build this.
With nuity we don't know whether there'll be customers that will be interested in this and so we're not setting expectations at all was our intention and then it started to increase significantly if we take a look at slide 14 in the deck. So I'm getting right now.
Slide 14, this is a slide that shows the growth in various components of our SBA business going back one year. A year ago Q3 '24, we originated for the quarter 330 loans and the quarter that just ended, we originated 1,069 loans. We are one of the highest, if not the highest.
SBA lenders by units. I'm not saying by dollars, but 1069 I believe makes us number one. If it's not number one, I don't want to overstate here it's still in the top few, and our volume at $121 million is also, one of the leaders, not the number one, but I want to say within the top 10 or so.
And the volume in dollars went from $29 million to $121 million and the loans that we sold, you can see went from in dollars, $18.9 million to $73.6 million. So we have seen very substantial growth in that activity in terms of our provision. We, a significant part of the $2.9 million was attributable to the SBA where we increased the allowance.
By 40 basis points compared to the link quarter was previously about 320, yeah. 3.2% now it's about 3.6%, so we provided some more cushion in there. And for those reasons, we think even though the dollars are less in terms of earnings, it was a very strong, quarter that we will continue to build on and with that, Pat has some great things to say about our loan book.

Patrick Dignan

Thanks Wayne. So it's a very good quarter for lending. With solid purchase and origination volume and another record for our SBA vertical. Whereas Rick pointed out, we closed just over $121 million of loans, up from $100 million in the late quarter. The SBA has recently revised their regulations returning to those in place prior to 2023.
These changes include a cap for small balance loans of 350 rather than 500,000 increasing minimum minimum credit scores and adding new requirements for collateral and loan documentation. We do most of these changes as positive from a credit perspective to recognize that they will require some adjustment on our annuities, technology, and processes.
This could mean a bit of time for us to adjust, but we feel very strongly about the growth looking forward. We remain very positive about this line of business, both in the existing loan program. And with potential new small business loan products. For purchase loans, we bought 52 loans in three transactions with gros balances of $79 million and the purchase price of $75 million or $0.94, excuse me.
The weighted average LTV on these loans is around 56% at our price, and we're mostly small balance. With a variety of collateral types and located along the east coast. Beyond these purchases, we saw several opportunities that ultimately did not trade, and a few others that did, but at very thin yields and the buyers moving them into securitizations.
We're hopeful that the current pause in the securitization markets, continued M&A activity, and liquidity among some banks will create opportunities for us over the next few months. But as we always say, this is a lumpy business, and you never know. In our origination business, we closed $218 million for the quarter. These included 24 loans with an average balance of $9 million secured with a variety of collateral types.
LTV is just over 50% and an average interest rate of 8.25%. Like last quarter, most of these loans were in our lender finance product, which continues to show strong demand from non-bank lenders. Looking forward, we have a full pipeline. We are seeing some fear and cautious optimism in the real estate markets. Some investors on the sidelines, and others viewing real estate is a good inflation hedge.
We don't have any more insight than others about where the real estate or lending markets will be over the next few months or how they will impact specific markets or collateral types, but we're patient investors and confident in our ability to source good loans, assess risk, and stick to real estate with low LTVs.
Also, while we don't celebrate the current market uncertainty, we're aware that opportunities often present themselves in such times and we're prepared to take advantage of them in the event they do right

Richard Wayne

Thank you. That was great. Now we'd like to take any questions that you, might have.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Our first question comes line of Damon DelMonte from KBW. Your line is open. Damon, your line is open.

Damon DelMonte

Hey, sorry about that guys. I apparently didn't unmute myself. Thank, good morning and and thanks for taking my questions. So first question I had was regards to the the loan yields that we saw this quarter. It looks like, the yield on the SBA portfolio was down. Pretty substantially from last quarter and as well as like on the the national originated and purchase the national originated loans.
Just wondering if you could talk a little bit about what you're seeing, particularly on the SBA side and and kind of what the outlook might look like for that and kind of how that would figure into your margin going forward.

Richard Wayne

Well, all of our SBA loans are priced currently at 275. I, I'm planning we're going to start taking a look at, we're allowed to charge higher rates on some of the smaller loans, and that we're going to take a look at doing some risk-based pricing on that so that maybe we can, Damon, which are the numbers exactly that you're talking about so we can be responding to the change the rate that you're describing.

Damon DelMonte

I think the yield on the SBA portfolio was like 9.93% this quarter versus 11.6% last quarter.

Richard Wayne

The you also in the group was not introduced by the operator is our Director of Accounting Rebecca Rand who will answer that question for you. Thank you.

Rebecca Rand

Thanks. Yes, so as Rick mentioned, these loans are tied to prime, and we saw rate cuts in September, November, and December, totaling 100 basis points, and these loans reset quarterly, so. A lot of the impact of the rate cuts was not seen in Q2, from the and we're seeing that more in Q3.

Damon DelMonte

Got it. Okay, that's helpful, and then as far as like expenses go. Was this quarter kind of a catch up on the on the comp accruals, and would, should we expect a similar level, north of $20 million kind of going forward here, or do you think that it's kind of a one-time catch up and it will kind of go back to what we saw for the first couple quarters of your fiscal year?

Richard Wayne

Well, we had the comp is is a half of a catch up we in in the third because this is all now in the incentive the basic. Comp theory of the of the bank is we don't pay bonuses once the bank does well and you know we need to see how the bank does and to figure out kind of what the bonus will be the comp committee does and so that three was a catch up in the third quarter.
And we would expect there will which estimates roughly what we think 75% of the incentive. Comp will be and then there'll be another one in the fourth quarter coming up so you know those occur in in as they were in the past I mean they there's catch up in the third and the fourth, our third and fourth fiscal quarter I wouldn't expect, we're not you're probably not going to see that in the forgoing into our next fiscal year.

Damon DelMonte

Got it. Okay, and then I guess just lastly on loan growth and kind of the outlook there, it sounds like pipelines remain strong and obviously. Bulk purchases are, kind of a wild card can't really predict those but as far as what your pipelines are showing, you you feel like you have good momentum going into the the the next quarter here and then you know through the summer months as well.

Richard Wayne

I, on the, first on the purchase side, there are some meaningful transactions out in the world. And so it's I'm you heard the forward-looking statement I'm not predicting anything on you know the large you know transactions, but that's certainly within the realm of possibility and then on the origination side, I would say our pipeline is full.
We'll have to see, as Pat mentioned at at this point, where all of the uncertainty in the economy does to the origination volume. We, we'll just have to see. So far we've got a big pipeline, but there are so many unintended consequences.
As a result of these tariff and other changes going on, we'll just have to see, we're only interested, of course this sounds probably hear this from every bank, but they're making, well, good loans. We're not going to, we won't feel under any pressure 0, just to put loans on the balance sheet for the sake of sake of volume.

Damon DelMonte

Right, and the discount I think you had said you paid $0.94 or 94% of par on on these purchases this quarter which is kind of up a little bit from what we've seen is that just a shift in the market dynamics and kind of what, the level of opportunities are presenting themselves at or is there something unique to this.

Richard Wayne

The discount, you can't always compare. It's not apples to apples because the discount, which you know very often is now interest rate related. If you have a higher coupon, then you're going to have a lower discount and vice versa. So I wouldn't read anything into that at all.

Damon DelMonte

Got it okay great well thank you very much for taking my questions.

Richard Wayne

Thank you, Damon.

Operator

Thank you (Operator Instructions). Next question will come from line of Mark Fitzgibbon from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Hey guys, good morning, happy Wednesday.

Richard Wayne

Thank you, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Thank you. Just real quick clarification, I think I may have missed this just to be clear, the 43 basis points drop in loan yields on a sequential quarter basis was primarily due to less accretion income which you think will sort of flow back in maybe normalize a bit in the next quarter. Is that fair?

Richard Wayne

Well, I'm going to be I want to be Explicit about it Rebecca, can you help me with this on the, the differences?

Rebecca Rand

Yeah. So, yeah, we had about $1.5 million lower of accelerated income compared to the linked quarter and as Rick mentioned that. Is lumpy and difficult to predict based on payoff, so that's that's the primary driver and then the other was the two fewer days in the quarter which was about 800,000 or so of the difference.

Richard Wayne

And we had some lower rates and rates it wasn't the bigger driver the biggest drivers are the ones that Rebecca just mentioned, but there was also some rate reduction also.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay. So when you're thinking about your margin going forward, you think it sort of comes back to what in the next quarter 480-ish, is it, would that be a good guesstimate?

Richard Wayne

I think that's probably a good number within, obviously give or take some, yeah, I would, I would think so.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay and then next I was curious if you could share with us what you feel like you have in terms of balance sheet capacity for, loan pool purchases.

Richard Wayne

We know that. Is that any investment in the highlight section.

Rebecca Rand

$870 million.

Richard Wayne

Thank you.

Mark Fitzgibbon

$870 million

Richard Wayne

yeah, $870 million. Through March '25.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay.

Richard Wayne

I pointed out that I was just going to say, Mark. This, of course, but for some of the other listeners, but you know that number gets bigger as we earn more money and it could also get bigger, if we wound up selling stock under the ATM as well. So we feel like we're in pretty good shape for opportunities.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay, great. And Pat, I heard your comments about, the SBA business and now that it's humming on all eight cylinders, I know you'll have maybe a little short-term decline in origination volume because of the changes at the SBA. But longer term, how should we think about volume ramping up in this business?
Is it, is this the kind of thing that, volumes could double, a couple quarters out or triple, or can you help us think about sort of the how much of that volume you think you can do?

Patrick Dignan

Well, the market demand is massive. I don't think there's going to be any impact on or much impact on the top of the funnel. It's just with more documentation and more collateral requirements, it's going to take longer to close some of these loans and it's going to be, so there could be some period of time before we ramp back up to where we're currently at, but. And there are other SBA products that we're looking into.
So I think long term we're very positive and bullish about this program and you know. And I just, the reason I point that out is we had $82 million in the two quarters ago, then $100 million $120 million, and I just want to point it out that that that would have been a trajectory we would have been comfortable with but this just wanted to point out that because of these rule changes there could be a slight. The lag in that in that in that growth.

Richard Wayne

Okay, we'd be reluctant to put out a number, Mark because. Other than saying what that is, the market is enormous, and we have with nuity we have some advantages big head start on great technology to process there have been a lot of banks that want to do these small balance loans, a lot of, eyes to dot and he's to cross to do it and if you're not doing it in real volume, it's very hard to make money.
Doing a $25,000 seven ASA loan, but in volume of course you can. So, I think it's without putting any number on it, it's possible that this could grow very significantly. And I would point out, but if it doesn't, we're now kind of on a run rate making $25 million bucks of fee income from this, which is pretty good from where we started.

Patrick Dignan

Yeah, and we continue to refine the technology, so every quarter, some of this growth is not just market demand but our increasing refinement of our processes technology to be more efficient.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay, and then my last question is, do you have an internal limit on broker deposits? I think it's 50% now of total deposits. Is there a limit you go to?

Rebecca Rand

50% of our assets is our limit.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay, great, thank you.

Richard Wayne

But Mark, before you go, Mark, just one point on that related to that one of the things we've been focusing on is having a lot more on and off balance sheet liquidity so, kind of in very round numbers we very round we have about $400 million in cash and, very liquid agency securities and on top of that we have about how much capacity Richard with the or anyone with the.
But with the Federal Home Loan Bank, we have available capacity of 800, almost $900 million and with the Federal Reserve around 300. I, this is somewhere about a [billion 6] of, on balance sheet and off-balance sheet liquidity.

Richard Cohen

So, and maybe just to add to that, Mark, we've spoken on a number of the other calls about the use of brokered CDs. And we've been, as you would know from previous calls, we've been on a path of reducing our FHLB so as to increase the capacity there, and bring in broker CDs because of course, we like the fact that we can termin out, and it gives us predictable financing.
So we're quite conscious of not only staying within the limits of the broker fees, which we have a fair amount of still, but we're also trying to balance that as best as we can, very deliberately to keep spare capacity, and to have available capacity to add to our broker fees if and when we need to. So we're fairly comfortable from those from that perspective.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Great, thank you.

Richard Wayne

Thank you. Mark.

Operator

Thank you, and I'm not showing any further questions at this time. Now I'll turn the call over to Rick Wayne for any closure marks.

Richard Wayne

Thank you for dialing in. Thank you, Damon and Mark, for some excellent questions, and we look forward to talking to you in July to discuss our quarter and year-end numbers and other things of interest, and with all of that I would say goodbye to you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect everyone have a great day.