Release Date: February 10, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Rhys, regarding New Zealand pre-sales activity, how long does it typically take for these to come through, and what does the recovery look like? A: We've seen specific examples where large orders are placed, indicating a recovery starting from March. It's patchy but real, with some clients having orders for six to eight months. However, smaller clients in Auckland and Christchurch are still affected by high interest rates.
Q: What is your view on the pace of recovery, considering the current lean operations across the industry? A: The improvement will be progressive rather than rapid. In Queensland, for example, the change in government and upcoming Olympics are positive factors. Conversations about necessary projects are starting, indicating a positive outlook.
Q: How should we think about EBITDA in light of growth initiatives and fewer trading days? A: Starting with the first half numbers, the average revenue per day is about $4 million. With 10 fewer working days, there's a $40 million headwind to make up. Applying the gross margin to this should help bridge the differences between the first and second half.
Q: Are you seeing any improvement in recent trading weeks post-December? A: Yes, we've called a turning point with definite signs of improvement. Investment surveys and activity surveys are improving, particularly in Queensland and New Zealand. However, Victoria remains a concern with no immediate improvement expected.
Q: How do you view the steel gross profit per tonne decline and the metals gross profit strength for the second half? A: Aluminum, part of our metals division, is seeing margin improvements due to self-help initiatives and the eradication of subsidized exports from China. We expect sustainable improved margins in metals, while steel margins are challenged by market behavior.
Q: Why did you adjust the dividend payout policy, and is it related to debt covenants? A: The adjustment is for long-term positioning. Despite bank support, our earnings have decreased, naturally lowering the payout. We're managing to customer service levels rather than a specific debt number.
Q: How is this start to the second half different from previous false starts in recovery expectations? A: The volumes in New Zealand were unsustainably low, and now we're seeing genuine green shoots with large clients resuming significant orders. This isn't a false dawn; there's a more positive sentiment across our client base.
Q: Can you provide more color on the competitive environment and any changes in behavior? A: Some competitors have raised prices, and profitability challenges are evident. While some companies are dropping stock at low prices, we maintain core disciplines. Difficult environments often lead to service impacts, which we aim to avoid.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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