Release Date: February 28, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you talk a little bit more about some of the originator investments that you're making? And kind of the appetite for non-QM given the commentary you made around delinquencies? A: Mark Tecotzky, Co-Chief Investment Officer: Our strategy for originator stakes dates back to 2014, focusing on platforms where we align on credit quality and underwriting. We aim for synergistic relationships, helping lower warehousing costs and providing consistent pricing. Despite higher delinquencies, we still find value in the non-QM market, adjusting our loss expectations and pricing accordingly.
Q: On Longbridge, can you help contextualize the ranges of earnings that you would expect where 4Q would sit where 3Q sits in that as we think about the go-forward earnings power of the business? A: J. R. Herlihy, Chief Financial Officer: We previously mentioned a $0.09 per share per quarter as a longer-term run rate target for Longbridge. While Q4 exceeded this, we anticipate maintaining around that $0.09 run rate, which aligns with our capital allocation and dividend coverage.
Q: Can you share why the Agency portfolio maybe isn't more attractive to you at these valuations? And if you had more incremental capital, what would you potentially do with that? A: Mark Tecotzky, Co-Chief Investment Officer: We've focused on credit and vertical integration, which offers a competitive advantage. While the Agency sector is attractive, we believe permanent capital is better utilized in credit, allowing us to control underwriting and partner with originators. We retain the ability to be opportunistic in the Agency market when dislocations occur.
Q: On the net interest income, is the current quarter a good run rate to think about going forward? A: J. R. Herlihy, Chief Financial Officer: Yes, the improvements in liability costs are ongoing, and the current quarter's net interest income is a good run rate. We've seen a decline in the weighted average cost of funds, and the portfolio composition supports this level.
Q: Can you dig deeper into closed-end seconds, HELOCs, and the opportunity there? Is that growth mostly through acquisitions, and how could demand change if rates come down? A: Mark Tecotzky, Co-Chief Investment Officer: We've focused on second liens with low note rate first liens, offering a smart way to tap home equity. The opportunity is significant due to low first lien rates and high borrower equity. If rates drop, refinancing might become more attractive, but current conditions support strong demand for second liens.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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