Release Date: March 11, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Have you and your partners fully funded the CLO JV? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: The JV commitment is outlined in our 10-Ks, and we have some uncommitted capital still to be drawn. We expect to continue growing it over time.
Q: How do you intend to raise the capital to finish funding your commitment? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: We ended the quarter with $8 million of cash and equivalents and a $25 million unfunded revolver. We closed on a new SPV to raise equity at net asset value into GECC, which added some funding. We have extra capacity on our revolver to meet the remaining commitment.
Q: Why is the JV only investing in Apex credit CLOs instead of diversifying the portfolio? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: The current investment mix allows us to take majority positions with strategic institutional partners. We may diversify our CLO exposure over time.
Q: How do you see spread compression impacting the CLO's cash flows this year, and what's your target ROE on your CLO JV investment? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: We are confident in our CLO cash flow generation, expecting 10% to 20% IRRs. The nature of distributions from the JV can be lumpy initially, but we expect our trailing 12 months NII to improve over the year.
Q: Can you provide a sense of the outlook for Maverick Gaming, given its distressed level? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: The company operates in multiple geographies, and we evaluate the position quarterly. It's a private company, so there's limited information I can share.
Q: How do you think about the appropriate size or contribution of the CLO JV to Great Elm's total results? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: Over time, we could see the CLO JV grow to around 20% of our asset base. We plan to continue growing the platform, increasing the income mix as we expand our asset base.
Q: Can you explain your investment selection process for CLOs and how you share responsibilities with your partner? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: Our partners are sophisticated institutional investors with deep understanding of the CLO market. We evaluate every opportunity as they arise, benefiting from the ability to take majority equity positions.
Q: Could you provide an update on the corporate portfolio pipeline and outlook for deployments? A: Matt Kaplan, Chief Executive Officer: We are seeing opportunities in the secondary space and starting to deploy capital. The direct lending side maintains an active dialogue with a stable pipeline. There are no immediate repayments expected, but some portfolio companies are in discussions for potential refinancing or M&A.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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