Release Date: April 22, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Given the movement in rates since quarter end, can you discuss any changes in your book value and expected ROE? A: Daniel Perotti, CFO, explained that significant interest rate volatility and credit spread widening have impacted the quarter. The hedging program has helped mitigate some effects, but book value decreased by about 2% to 3% since the end of the quarter. The ongoing ROE reflects current expectations and market conditions.
Q: With the updated mortgage banking agreement between PennyMac and PFSI, is there an expectation that PMT could acquire a larger percentage of loans from PFSI in the back half of the year? A: Daniel Perotti noted that PMT's acquisition amounts depend on where capital deployment is most advantageous. Currently, the focus is on increasing investments in credit-sensitive strategies rather than interest rate-sensitive strategies, so no significant increase in loan retention is expected.
Q: Can you update on your thinking about capital commitment given the current market dislocation? A: David Spector, CEO, stated that PMT is pleased with its current capital allocation, focusing on growing credit-sensitive strategies and maintaining correspondent activity. The goal is to continue increasing returns and focus on best execution for investments.
Q: What is your outlook for the dividend given the lowered run rate earnings? A: Daniel Perotti mentioned that despite the run rate decline, the dividend is expected to remain stable at $0.40. The decline is mainly due to the yield curve's impact on interest rate-sensitive strategies, but the yield curve is expected to normalize, improving returns.
Q: Can you discuss return expectations on new loan securitizations given the spread widening? A: David Spector highlighted that credit spread widening has increased return targets on sub-bonds to mid-teens. The ability to create securitizations organically is crucial for PMT to deploy capital effectively and achieve these returns.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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