Release Date: April 25, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you tell me where you see your duration gap both at the end of the quarter and to date after the sales you made? A: We don't measure it in terms of just numbers but on a DV01 basis. On slide 22, it's shown as $13, which is very narrow. The duration hasn't changed materially since the end of the quarter. - Robert Cauley, CEO
Q: After these portfolio changes and hedge changes, where do you see gross ROE sitting today? A: Versus swaps, it's very high, potentially in the high teens to low 20s, depending on the moment due to volatility. These are the highest levels we've seen in some time. - Robert Cauley, CEO
Q: How are you looking at the dividend issuance and buybacks given the current return environment and cost of capital? A: With the stock trading close to book value, buybacks are off the table. We might consider raising capital to add liquidity, but the market is volatile. The dividend is closely related to taxable earnings, and some of it comes from closed hedges. - Robert Cauley, CEO
Q: What are your thoughts on the Rocket-Mr. Cooper deal and its impact on prepay speeds and MSRs? A: Rocket is a fast servicer, and we expect Nationstar loans to get faster, impacting the convexity of the mortgage universe negatively. We own specified pools, and the relative speed will determine pay-ups over time. - Robert Cauley, CEO
Q: Do you think the level of spreads has reset higher due to the tariff war, and what is your view on interest rate volatility and spreads tightening? A: Pre-COVID, spreads were at 80, but we don't expect to return there. Mortgages are attractive, but volatility and market conditions suggest investors will demand wider spreads. - Robert Cauley, CEO
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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